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这似乎是我该问您的吧!是因为您才把空间区别为“平直”和“弯曲”状态! 详解并重构相对性原理 |
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“相对性原理从来就没有说过不能测得相对速度!!!”? “相对性原理从来就没有说过不能测得相对速度!!!” 相对性原理认为: 如果封闭系统中的观测者可以测得他相对系统外任意点的相对速度, |
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不知你基于什么样的实践?是老师说的还是?你的实践总离不开光线及刚体这些定义。 ※※※※※※ 有所突破——《隐参量在物理学中的作用和地位》,诚请指点。http://wang.sellcn.com/com/wyg/ns_detail.php?id=28976&nowmenuid=83686&cpath=&catid=0 |
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这是你的观点,但不是经典物理的观点,经典物理的观点肯定错了,但你的观点只说了一半,应改为:
1、推论一、绝对运动速度不可探测:无论进行什么样的观察或实验,都不可能发现物体相对于绝对空间的绝对运动速度,绝对参考系不存在;但可以发现物体(假设该物体在地球上)相对地球的速度。 ※※※※※※ 当用加速度计测量地球加速度的实验出现零结果后,无人惊呼:难道地球的加速度是零?!难道地球是宇宙中心?!当mkex-ml实验测量地球速度是实验出现零结果后,人们又何必惊呼:难道地球静止在绝对空间里?难道地球是宇宙中心? |
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这不仅仅是我的观点,也是经典物理的观点。我没必要为经典理论抹金,也没必要将所有观点揽入自己怀中! 这是你的观点,但不是经典物理的观点,经典物理的观点肯定错了,但你的观点只说了一半,应改为:
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请问这种研究是把空气当作“物质”来研究的还是当作您所说的“空间”来研究的???? 空气肯定占有空间的。(((不错!这一点谁也没有反对。但是否如您所说要把空气归入到空间概念,将其当作“现实的空间”加以研究呢?))) 黄德民 |
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是基于整个人类的实践活动!这些定义和概念并不是某一个人所特有的。 您在此贴总算承认了“实践总离不开光线及刚体这些定义”,请问这些定义是怎么来的?是实践总结来的,是逻辑思考来的! |
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相对性原理认为: 如果封闭系统中的观测者可以测得他相对系统外任意点的相对速度, |
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你的推论一,绝对不是相对论以前经典物理的观点.否则物理学家就不会设计出迈克耳逊试验和特鲁顿试验了。 ※※※※※※ 当用加速度计测量地球加速度的实验出现零结果后,无人惊呼:难道地球的加速度是零?!难道地球是宇宙中心?!当mkex-ml实验测量地球速度是实验出现零结果后,人们又何必惊呼:难道地球静止在绝对空间里?难道地球是宇宙中心? |
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中年人59果真厉害 ※※※※※※ 当用加速度计测量地球加速度的实验出现零结果后,无人惊呼:难道地球的加速度是零?!难道地球是宇宙中心?!当mkex-ml实验测量地球速度是实验出现零结果后,人们又何必惊呼:难道地球静止在绝对空间里?难道地球是宇宙中心? |
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The space-time theory of the Relativity--- The fallacy from the experiment perjuries
§1 The examination and verification principle of “Space-time twisting” experiment of the Relativity. 1. A serious mistake on the principle of space-time experiment of the Relativity. According to the Theory of Relativity, the light propagates in the vacuum linearly, and the gravitation of matter acts on the space-time and makes it twisted, in turn, the twisting of the space-time causes the light to be bend. However, the experiment use the same bundle of light that were ‘twisted correspondingly with the space-time’ as the benchmark. This is the basic error of the experiment principle. Scientists who supported the Relativity declared that the space-time twisting had been proved accurately by the experiments that found the light twisting on the surface of the sun coincided exactly with the theoretical data of Relativity. In order to describe my opinion exactly and concretely, I once put forward a simulation experiment to prove that the statement above is a definite mistake on experiment principles. Get a blank sheet of paper or a flat piece of thin rubber, and set one point as an "observation station "; Mark some points of “stars” according to star chart as remote galaxies, and mark the "pulsar". Connect the observation station and the pulsar with a line. If there is a prism on the line between the observe eyepiece and the "pulsar", the light would be bent. We must adjust the position and angle of the eyepiece to get the light pass through the prism and enter the eyepiece to find this pulsar. This is the condition in which the space-time system physical interaction causes the light deviated, and also are the testing methods what we speak. When we get the thin flat rubber twisted by forces, we would find that the line between the eyepiece and " pulsar " is twisted accordingly. But we do not need to adjust the positions and angles of the straight eyepiece. The light originating from the pulsar still could enters the eyepiece accurately. This is just because the space-time twisted in concert with the light as a whole. Conclusion: What the experiment can observed was the twisting caused by the factors in the same space-time context. There is fundamental principle mistake to prove the distortion of space-time by matter gravitation using the observation of the light twisting over the surface of the sun. 2. . The refract of light over the sun surface caused by surface gaseous state material of the sun has been neglected. I hope sincerely to get the answer of following question from serious physics scholar : The academia has already made the discussion or the conclusion (not at all as far as I know), that it’s reasonable to eliminate the refraction caused by the surface atmosphere of the sun (include ion). We need document, calculate, quote data, calculation principle, result, etc. relevantly. We all know in the morning, the sky is bright before the sun rises. This light distortion is so enormous that is far beyond second-counting. Although because the material density on the sun surface is quite different from the atmosphere of the earth, the distortion of the light on the sun surface is much smaller than the one on the earth, we cannot simply neglect it. This kind of idea is subjective and not serious. What we need is theoretical analysis and experiment examination. As we know, the materials on the sun surface have the enormous average kinetic energy and under the extremely high temperature, these are the factors that increase the refraction rate. So it is reasonable to propose: " Theory of Relativity space-time experiment is suspected of piecing together the data ". We notice, the modern experiments revised the deviation of the light that caused by the corona, but they do not determine the experiment under the context of the whole atmosphere of the sun. Some relevant experiments (such as sun covers the experiment of the radio source (high frequency)) find that the distortion precision that observed vary with the different light frequencies. This simply the physical characteristics of solar atmosphere deflection and chromatic dispersion. And it further proves the importance of analyzing the solar atmosphere deflection. The qualitative experiment result is at the same level as the Theory of Relativity within certain radius under lower frequency. But as the radius and the frequency increases, the refraction effect rapidly reduces。 The experimental result directly produces the conclusion as below: with lower frequency and within certain radius, the experiment result is at same level as the Theory of Relativity effect… This fully proves that "the deflection is correlated with the frequency closely"; Proved the solar atmosphere has the deflection basic reason, And it also revealed that the scholars of the Theory of Relativity put pieces of the empirical datum together. This is the absurd behavior. C. The solar gravitational pull action to the moving mass of light quantum also are supposed to be the important attribute which the proof must consider. In fact, Einstein discussed in his initial papers that the deflection is halfly caused by the sun's Newton gravitational field effects; and halfly caused by the spatial geometry deformation. In all the space-time theoretical calculations of the Relativity completely neglect this important factor ( the deflection is halfly caused by the sun's Newton gravitational field), and they declared that the Theory of Relativity’s space-time idea has verified precisely. 3. : negative deviation The experiment of negative deviation shows that sun's rotation influences significantly to the light that propagates through the surface atmosphere of the sun; It shows that the deviation phenomena of the light through the surface of the sun is produces by some usual physical factors. So-called "the precise confirmation" is only the good expectation of "some scholars” who hope that the space-time theory of Relativity to be true. We can’t believe that the so called great achievement – Relativity, was proved by the forged experimental evidence. But it is definitely true. §2.The Fizeau (Armand Fizeau) experiment is a definite contra-evidence to the Theory of Relativity In the theoretical calculation of this experiment to verify the theory of relativity,they used still water instead of flowing water,so they ignored the eddy in the flowing water and the difference of speed from central and wall-side of the tube and many other factors to influence refractive indexes. And they asserted that the Theory of Relativity was precisely with this experiment.. Actually, it is one of the confirmed contra-evidence of the Theory of Relativity. As with the experiment mentioned above,the surprising "great achievements" was born one by one. To this experimental physics question. We think, the precision of experiment involved is a percentage value of the velocity of flow. But use of the refraction rate in the still water instead of of the one in the flowing water produces the smaller ratio, but it involves the change of the value of velocity of light in different states and it could influence the precision of experiment and could not be neglected. We must simulate the corresponding swirl produces in quiet water pipe (Certainly we should test velocity of flow and the intensity of swirl), Measure the refraction rate of the water staying no flowing but in the whirlpool, substitute the so- called accurate calculating type of entering Theory of Relativity with this. We also must consider that the difference of speeds from in center and closing the face of tube at the same time. Provide accurate value of the experiment, fight for the inaccurate ones. §3.Review the principle of the Relativity’s experiment: Mercury orbit processional motion of radius vector First, let’s discuss inertia system K and K' in the “lorentz transformation”. In the K, the origin of K’ moves from x1 to x2, takes time of t, if I say, the observed values in K is not x1,x2, t, but the Lorentz-transformed x1’, x2’and t’, everyone should say that “You do not understand the Theory of Relativity”. In the inertia system K, let’s imagine a ball is rotating around the origin O with equally angular speed of w, If I say that the angular speed is not w but the w’ that transformed by “lorentz transformation”, everyone should say: You do not understand the Theory of Relativity. The astronomer observed that Mercury orbit processional motion of radius vector is 43” every 100 years, it matches with the Theory of Relativity calculation precisely. I say I’m not wrong. The astronomer should move the instrument on Mercury and aim the sun, and then if they could derive the conclusion above, they could say there is a precise matching. The experiment above has made the same mistake in the verification principle, it treated the space-time of moving system as that of the static system. Similarly, using the principle of equivalence to draw out the general theory of relativity also follows the same track. §4.The data putting together in the latest Doppler Effect Experiment of Relativity theory There are some experiments related to special relativity: The atom experiment examining; the Inspection to the fine structure of hydrogen atomic (Stem from the pure Theory of Relativity quantum mechanics effect); superfine structure (stem from the quantum field-effect considering the relativity); the testing to the anomalous magnetic moment of electron (assert that match until the 11th digits after the decimal point) and the latest Doppler Effect Experiment of Relativity theory (declare that the precision is up to 8 effective figures) and so on. The latest Doppler Effect Experiment of Relativity theory was made in 1994 by R. Grieser,etc. The experiment principle is similar to Ives-Stillwell test; the speed of the particle is 0.064c. The frequency of laser resonance vibration that the experiment examined is 512 667 592.4 (3.1) MHz. The frequency of resonance vibration according to the Theory of Relativity prophecy is 512 667 588.3(0.8) MHz. The frequency of resonance vibration according to the classical theory is 514 776 111.3(0.8) MHz. (See the attachment in experiment principle.) The crucial problem of this experiment and the ones that made people feel regretful are that the speed of Li ion was accelerated to high speed status of 0.064C, but the related verification calculation used the value of energy level and distribution that obtained prior to the acceleration. As we know, the system energy (include the inner energy and the kinetic energy) of Li ion should increase by a wide margin when accelerated up to high speed of 0.064C and the deference energy of system determines deference distribution of energy level. We agree that when the energy of system changes not so much, the energy level distribution can treated with system "translation" approximately. Unfortunately, the experiment used the value of energy frequency distribution that before the system was accelerated up to high speed, and they used this calculation to declare that the precision is up to 8 effective digits…… The quantum mechanics system is not a rigidity framework, and the lithium ion is the system with much protons. Protons and electrons in the same system are under the different motion state, when the system is accelerated by a wide margin interaction of the strong electric field, while the kinetic energy increases; the internal energy of the system increases too. On the other hand, the mass of the proton and the electron is not at the same quantity grade, so system energy and interval energy will change when total energy state changes with a large margin. Attachment Hereby I introduce the principle of this experiment briefly. The transmission system used with this experiment is the lithium ion moving at high-speed. The experiment has used three energy levels of the lithium ion. There is no harm in being called level 1(In fact it is the superfine level of J=1, F=3/2 under the 2^3S energy level), level 2(2^3S,J=1, F=5/2), and level 3(2^3P, J=2, F=5/2). Level 1 is the lowest level among the all of three, level 3 is the highest one, and level 2 is a little higher than level 1. Its picture of energy level looks like the Greek alphabet lambda, so I called it lambda system. Let’s consider the static situation first. Generally, the lithium ion exists on level 1 mainly. When we impact the lithium ion with a bunch of laser, when the frequency of the laser is just equal to the difference between level 3 and level 1, the lithium ion will be activated to jump to the level 3. But level 3 is volatile, lithium ion will jump back to level 1 or to level 2 again. As such, the result of impacting is that the number of the lithium ion under energy level 2 increase significantly. If the lithium ion is impacted by another bunch of laser again at this moment, and the frequency of this bunch of laser is adjustable. When the frequency of the laser transfers to the difference of energy 3 and energy 2, the laser will be absorbed greatly, and the fluorescence emerges. The frequencies of the two spectrum lines involved have been determined accurately. Set them as f1(1->3) and f2(3->2). Now let’s consider the situation below. There is a bunch of lithium ions with high-speed. The speed of the ion varies, it have certain distribution, (certainly being distributed is not very widely). Transmit laser behind the ion with frequency higher than the difference of level 3 and level 1 slightly. Because of the Doppler Effect, the frequency of laser that the lithium ion receives will be reduced a bit, how much it is reduced depends on the speed of the ion. Only the lithium ions with specific speed can receive the frequency of laser that corresponding to the difference of level 3 and level 1 exactly, so that only this part of lithium ions would be activated and jumped into the level 2. Penetrate the adjustable laser from the front of this bunch of lithium ion now. Also because of the Doppler Effect, the laser frequency that the lithium ion receives will be a little bit higher. Because only the lithium ions at that speed that chosen by the first bunch of laser can gether in level 2 largely,only when the second bunch of laser’s frequency changed by the Doppler Effect under that speed to the difference of level 3 and level 2, the laser would be absorbed largely. The frequency of second bunch of laser is the so-called resonance frequency. Through intensity of fluorescence sent by the measuring system,we can determine whether the second laser resonance with the system. The frequency of the first bunch of laser is fa, the frequency of the second bunch of laser is fb, the chosen speed of the lithium ion is v. According to the principle above, The relations between four pieces of frequency meet with the following mathematical relations: f1 = fa * f(v) f2 = fb * g(v) Two functions of f(v) and g(v) are that Doppler formulae of backside direction and opposite direction separately. Different theories derive different function forms. As to Special Relativity f1 = fa * k * (1 - v/c) f2 = fb * k * (1 + v/c) Do multiplying, we get: f1 * f2 = fa * fb (1) So the resonance laser frequency of the special relativity prophecy should be fb = f1 * f2 / fa As to classical theory f1 = fa * (1 - v/c) f2 = fb * (1 + v/c) Do multiplying, we get: f1 * f2 = fa * fb * (1 - vv/cc) (2) So the resonance laser frequency of the classical theory prophecy should be fb = f1 * f2 / fa / (1 - vv/cc) The purpose of the experiment is to examine whether the resonance frequency that derived from the Theory of Relativity is match with the measured value. The result of experiment was given yesterday and we make some supplemented a little more here. The frequency of the first bunch of laser is fa = 582 490 603.370(0.130) MHz The frequency of the second bunch of laser is fb = 512 667 592.4(3.1) MHz The frequency of two lines is respectively under the static reference system: [This was measured independently by an experiment scientist of another group,published in Physical Review A 49, 20 (1994) finally。The two values below were found by me from this document. I have not found the data which Grieser used,So the value of Theory of Relativity prophesy with below this group of data will be slightly different with what provided yesterday, but the tolerance is within the range of error.] f1 = 546 474 963.42 (0.4) MHz f2 = 546 455 145.74 (0.4) MHz |
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彻底否定“相对性原理”又一例﹕让爱因斯坦速度合成公式给他自己掌嘴! 从火车上经一种折射率为n的透明媒质(在火车上静止)发出一束光线,到地面也进入同样折射率n的透明媒质传递(设火车以速度v离开,光束到地面水道仍在火车运动直线方向上)。 按照相对论,光束无论在火车还是地面传递,各自的观测者都认为在自己的参考系内的速度都是 c/n ﹔应用爱因斯坦的速度合成公式,它们在对方参考系中的传递速度则都是 (c/n - v)/(1-v/nc)。 现在的问题是﹕当火车以速度c/n运动时,是否意味着这束光线永远无法传入地面?例如n=10000000,火车速度 v = 30 m/s时光线就无法传出,现在这透明媒质只有30m长,用火车上的时间记录它仅需一秒钟通过,这一秒钟用地面时间记录岂不成了无限长(时间停止)? 这样,唯一的合理解释是﹕爱因斯坦的速度合成公式错了,或者是他的相对性原理错了,二者必居其一?其实严格地说来,这二者都错了! 在这里,相对性原理根本就是大错特错,速度合成公式可略作修改﹕地面观测者认为,光在火车上的传递速度是 c/n - v(1-1/nn) (菲涅尔公式),火车观测者测得的是 c/n + v/nn (我将在我的论文中用全新的观点严格证明)﹔当这光束传入地面透明媒质中时,地面观测者测得的速度是 c/n (忽略色散项),火车观测者则认为它的速度变成了c/n - v !如此出现了四个不同的速度值,难道还能有“相对性原理”的立足之地? ※※※※※※ 相对论一派胡言 物理界混淆是非 时空物绝对独立 “倒相者”返璞归真 |
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