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[楼主]  [31楼]  作者:阿新—  发表时间: 2007/09/12 00:26 

回复:只能说明以太的阻力让钟慢下来,是绝对变慢,而不是相对变慢!
资料说的狭义效应忽略是只其中一部分,而最重要的那部分,就是可以累加的那部分,也说是很重要,但都是在发射前预先修正了,SORRY,我昨天看的太匆忙.但即使如此,也只能说明以太的阻力让钟慢下来,是绝对变慢,而不是相对变慢!因此也不能因此而证明相对论是对的.
[楼主]  [32楼]  作者:阿新—  发表时间: 2007/09/12 00:33 

回复:广相应该还是有点道理的!广相其实和狭相本质上矛盾.
GPS已经算入了引力钟慢!
 [33楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 00:58 

其根本错误都是时空物的概念混乱逻辑糊涂,说它没有哲学基础就是因为没有把这几个基本概念作为公理定义好!
    从我的第95471帖中关于“同时性的相对性”分析就更能说明这一点。

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 [34楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 01:10 

我随意点了一篇这么长的文章,也仅仅就这么几句与相对论有关的话就被你作为依据,真难为你了


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[楼主]  [35楼]  作者:阿新—  发表时间: 2007/09/12 01:51 

回复:不知道文章的可靠性如何。。纳闷
GPS已经算入了引力钟慢!
 [36楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:00 

可以把我论文中最后的一个“以太密度”公式统一起来,不过那公式的系数4是根据夏皮罗效应定的,如何转换还要深思
    因为那不仅确定了不同引力场中的光速值,同时更重要的是得出的光线偏折值与广相的相同(尽管我还没公开,但能先于我证明的人不多,这属于我的整个理论体系,我不担心别人先证明)!

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 [37楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:07 

“请记住,频率就是每秒震动次数。”作者:柳岸花铭 发表时间: 2007/09/11 22:45 点击:1次


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[楼主]  [38楼]  作者:阿新—  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:08 

回复:GR和SR都符合GPS,http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/gps-relativity.asp
. Does the GPS confirm the clock rate changes predicted by GR and SR? 来源:http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/gps-relativity.asp

牋牋牋牋牋?The highest precision GPS receiver data is collected continuously in two frequencies at 1.5-second intervals from all GPS satellites at five Air Force monitor stations distributed around the Earth. An in-depth discussion of the data and its analysis is beyond the scope of this paper. [1] This data shows that the on-board atomic clock rates do indeed agree with ground clock rates to the predicted extent, which varies slightly from nominal because the orbit actually achieved is not always precisely as planned. The accuracy of this comparison is limited mainly because atomic clocks change frequencies by small, semi-random amounts (of order 1 ns/day) at unpredictable times for reasons that are not fully understood. As a consequence, the long-term accuracy of these clocks is poorer than their short-term accuracy.

Therefore, we can assert with confidence that the predictions of relativity are confirmed to high accuracy over time periods of many days. In ground solutions with the data, new corrections for epoch offset and rate for each clock are determined anew typically once each day. These corrections differ by a few ns and a few ns/day, respectively, from similar corrections for other days in the same week. At much later times, unpredictable errors in the clocks build up with time squared, so comparisons with predictions become increasingly uncertain unless these empirical corrections are used. But within each day, the clock corrections remain stable to within about 1 ns in epoch and 1 ns/day in rate.

The initial clock rate errors just after launch would give the best indication of the absolute accuracy of the predictions of relativity because they would be least affected by accumulated random errors in clock rates over time. Unfortunately, these have not yet been studied. But if the errors were significantly greater than the rate variance among the 24 GPS satellites, which is less than 200 ns/day under normal circumstances, it would have been noticed even without a study. So we can state that the clock rate effect predicted by GR is confirmed to within no worse than ?/span>200 / 45,900 or about 0.7%,This is a very conservative estimate. In an actual study, most of that maximum 200 ns/day variance would almost certainly be accounted for by differences between planned and achieved orbits, and the predictions of relativity would be confirmed with much better precision. Is the speed of light constant? 牋牋牋牋牋?Other studies using GPS data have placed far more stringent limits than we will here. But our goal here is not to set the most stringent limit on possible variations in the speed of light, but rather to determine what the maximum possible variation might be that can remain consistent with the data. The GPS operates by sending atomic clock signals from orbital altitudes to the ground. This takes a mere 0.08 seconds from our human perspective, but a very long (although equivalent) 80,000,000 ns from the perspective of an atomic clock. Because of this precision, the system has shown that the speed of radio signals (identical to the "speed of light") is the same from all satellites to all ground stations at all times of day and in all directions to within ?/span>12 meters per second (m/s). The same numerical value for the speed of light works equally well at any season of the year.
 [39楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:14 

“相对论与GPS”这类资料我看的太多了,“在工厂生产出厂前就把时钟频率调好”鬼才知道,我国北斗星二号必须重新实验


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 [40楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:18 

一下翻译不过来,哪里找的?也许我已看过(现在还有其他事)


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[楼主]  [41楼]  作者:阿新—  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:23 

回复:如果GPS发现了和相对论矛盾,早就成为美国的头条新闻了!因此我不怀疑它们的吻合.问题在于,公式对,理论错.
GPS已经算入了引力钟慢!
 [42楼]  作者:刘岳泉  发表时间: 2007/09/12 02:33 

有了这个结论我可以大胆地进入下一步研究,其实提出各种假设的探索一直没停,关键是要比较哪种方案更可行


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