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《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生
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《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生

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学术动态№1540 卢所北京部2005/11/26 p. 8336-8337



文 《科学时报》记者麻晓东
《格物》杂志编者按:
发表在〖科学时报〗2005年11月25日B3上署名麻晓东先生的《勇于挑战的谭暑生》文章,写得好极了!这是中国科学院主办的机关报纸首次大篇幅报道我会会员的成就和观点,值得庆贺和欢迎。为此,我们特别推荐给大家,这是一篇好文章。并请朋友们注意这几点:一、本文正确表述了我会性质:“北京相对论研究联谊会是一个以研究和挑战相对论为事业的自发民间组织”;二、对那些攻击我会的所谓批评家一个实事求是地反驳;三、对于我会会员的组成进行了客观报道,即:“在联谊会的会员中,大致对相对论持有三种观点,有拥护相对论的,有认为相对论基本正确、但需要进一步发展的,还有则认为相对论是完全错误的”;四、对于北京相对论研究联谊会长沙会议进行了简洁地概括和总结:“主要围绕发展会员和著书撰文计划展开讨论”;五、准确分析会员论文难予发表的两个原因,即:“一是国家科技部门在接受新理论新思想方面有障碍,也就是说所有违背了相对论的观点都很难发表;二是在会员中能拿出经得起推敲、理论非常正确、能符合科学成果评价标准的的确不多”;六、生动地报道谭暑生先生在“勇于挑战”过程中所获得的两点体验,很值得大家深思,即:“在泥沙中淘金”,“不要期望马上得到认可和荣誉”。七、谭暑生先生提出的科学评价标准将会在中外科学界引起重视。

谭暑生,国防科学技术大学理学院教授,从事激光技术与理论物理研究多年。
谭暑生教授的脸上始终挂着微笑,他说“我生活得很愉快”。在北京相对论研究联谊会长沙会议上,谭暑生作为本次会议的主持人在首先的发言中做了这样的表态。

在泥沙中淘金

北京相对论研究联谊会是一个以研究和挑战相对论为事业的自发民间组织,作为联谊会的副会长,谭暑生对会员们所从事的研究工作有着自己的认识,他说,“客观地讲,这是个淘金的工作。”
相对论从诞生至今产生过许多需要进一步研究和解释的问题,在联谊会的会员中,大致对相对论持有三种观点,有拥护相对论的,有认为相对论基本正确、但需要进一步发展的,还有则认为相对论是完全错误的。 在今年世界物理年期间,北京相对论研究联谊会曾经组织召开了第三届年会,并在网站上发表了一些论文,但随后就有人在网上对这次年会和相关论文进行了批评,并尖锐地称其为“伪科学会议”和“民科人士的垃圾文章”。
谭暑生表示,目前联谊会中的会员大部分是对相对论持怀疑态度的,会员们在研究和挑战相对论的工作中发表各自的看法,水平肯定是参差不齐的。他相信这些研究工作中总会有金子产生。
本次在首届全国民间科技发展研讨会期间举行的北京相对论研究联谊会长沙会议,主要围绕发展会员和著书撰文计划展开讨论。很多与会者都对自己的论文或专著无法发表而苦恼和不满。谭暑生认为,目前联谊会会员在论文发表中主要存在两大问题,一是国家科技部门在接受新理论新思想方面有障碍,也就是说所有违背了相对论的观点都很难发表;二是在会员中能拿出经得起推敲、理论非常正确、能符合科学成果评价标准的的确不多。
在本次首届全国民间科技发展研讨会上,谭暑生为大会起草了《科学发现成果评价标准》,其中有这样一段话:“人类,特别是科学主义极强的人,还滞留在自己的思维惰性之中。正如以前难予接受太阳中心说一样,今天在中国,许多极具挑战性的创新的科学论文极难得到正确的评价和在学术刊物上发表,许多创新的科学理论遭到主流学派的排斥、否定、压制或冷处理,甚至被一些人扣上‘伪科学’而扼杀在襁褓之中。这种状态严重地挫伤了科学研究者和民间科学爱好者从事科学创新活动的积极性,影响和阻碍着中国科学技术的进步和发展。”
在《标准》中,科学发现成果的评价标准包括了六项内容:领先性、创造性、自洽性、包容性、简明性和可实验检验性,并指出,“凡满足这六项评价标准的科学理论,都是人类认识自然的一个进步,都是科学发现者对人类社会的贡献,都应当得到科学界乃至整个社会的接纳、发表、承认和尊重。”在此,谭暑生特别指出,《标准》最重要的区别就在于不需要符合原来已有的理论。现在有些新思想和新学说即使符合这六项标准也得不到承认和发表,主要就因为不符合原有的理论。所以他认为这次民间科技研讨会首先要突破这个问题,因为新的学说和理论多多少少都会对旧理论产生修正、否定和挑战。

“不要期望马上得到认可和荣誉”

谭暑生从小就是学习尖子,从小学、中学到大学,他基本上都是以第一名的成绩毕业的。他认为,
这主要还是得益于自己认真的学习态度。因此,从事理论研究工作也一直是他的理想和兴趣所在。
从大学时代起,谭暑生就对爱因斯坦的相对论产生了浓厚的兴趣。为此,他对中国古代的元气论、西方的原子论以及后来的以太论都进行过仔细的研究。1983年时,谭暑生根据自己的研究建立了一个新的时空理论――标准时空论,“从中国古代元气论出发,用绝对参考系原理和回路平均光速不变原理代替爱因斯坦的相对论原理和光速不变原理,逻辑地建立的新时空理论”。这一理论后来经过国防科技大学专家的评审,相关的论文最先发表在《国防科技大学学报》1984年第1期上,随后又在国内的《自然》、《自然辩证法研究》等杂志上发表,并出版了专著。论文发表后,国内知名教授白铭复、匡惠荪、董光璧、田昆玉、葛旭初,以及著名科学家钱学森,国际著名物理学家依斯伯纳特、贝尔等都给予了高度的评价,国内还有几位学者发表了相关的研究论文。但时至今日,这一理论的论文仍然很难在国内外更高一级的物理学杂志上发表。
对此,谭暑生表示,一个新理论的诞生是非常不容易的。他自己很熟悉科学史,因此“不要期望马上得到什么名誉”,就像科学地预言了电磁波存在的麦克斯韦生前并没有得到任何荣誉,他心情烦恼,生活清苦。谭暑生常和学生们讲起麦克斯韦的经历。这时,他用略带有湖南口音的普通话朗诵道:“1879年,年仅48岁的麦克斯韦就去世了,一颗科学巨星就这样陨落了。”谭暑生对记者说,每每对学生讲到这些,他都会流泪。同时他又乐观地表示,科学的发展与现实就是这样的。
谭暑生不认为自己是民间科学爱好者。他说,任何一项新的科学研究都不容易,因为人的思想总是处于惰性之中,只有具有精神力量,意志坚强的人才能从事创新工作,十个民科人物中只要有一个是能闪光的金子就算很不错。
最后,谭暑生仍然强调说,对于科学评价的标准一定要严格。记者注意到,他所起草的《标准》并非专门针对民间科学爱好者,而是面向所有的科研工作者,在谈到他对“民科”的看法时谭暑生表示,虽然以前对民科的定义有过很多种说法,但他对于这个问题还没有一个确定的标准,还要考虑考虑再说。
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 [2楼]  作者:hudemi  发表时间: 2005/11/27 20:15 

祝贺谭先生!这也让更多对相对论持不同意见者看到了希望!!

同时也感谢新卫兄的转贴和热情宣传。

 

黄德民

 [3楼]  作者:tongzr  发表时间: 2005/11/28 06:36 

相对论时空理论和实验在科技史留下最丑陋的一页,遗臭万年
相对论迟早会是树倒猴狲散。相对论时空理论和实验将在科技史留下最丑陋的一页,遗臭万年。

相对论时空理论是实验伪例下的谬误

一: 审思相对论"时空扭曲实验”的验证原理

我发表以下四点意见恭请大家审思:
a.实验验证原理的基本错误.
相对论以为,光在真空中直线传播,因物质引力作用了时空,时空的扭曲引起了光的偏折。然而,实验却用这“和时空一致扭曲”的同一束光作测定的基准。这在实验原理上是确定的错误. 其二,光的真空直线传播要求光在所在时空中,相对于其它参照物(任何对光没有直接作用的参照对象)是直线的,或用本时空的空间、时间量纲对光的运动的描述应该是一直线。特别需提出的是,按相对论的解释,太阳的引力仅对时空产生作用,对光没有直接的作用,因此,光在所在的这一时空中表现出的是直线性态,再重复一遍:用本时空的空间、时间量纲对光的运动的描述应该是一直线。所以说,能以如此装置观测到的偏折这只能是非相对论效应所致。

为了正确形象地对此进行表述,我曾经提出一个模拟实验:

取一白纸或橡质薄面,设定一点作为"观测站";按星图标出一些遥远星系示意点,标出"脉冲星".作出观测站与这些星系点间的联线.
如果观测目镜与"脉冲星"联线间有一棱镜,光线因此发生了偏折.我们必需调正目镜的方位和角度,才能使经棱镜折射后的光线进入目镜,观测到这个脉冲星.
这是我们所说的同一时空体系内物理作用引起光的偏折情况及检测.

如果我们使橡皮薄面受力扭曲,我们看到目镜与"脉冲星"联线也因此扭曲了,但我们无需调正目镜的方位和角度.源于脉冲星的光线仍然是准确无误地进入目镜.这正是因为时空体系的扭曲是整体协调一致的物理现象.在以前的贴中我已作了详细的理论分析.参阅上贴中的附件.

结论:实验能观测到的偏折,只能是同一时空体系物理因素所致;掠经太阳表面光线偏折,以此来证明时空在物质引力下的扭曲存在根本性的原理错误. "


b.光量子的动质量受太阳引力的作用亦应是论证必须考虑的重要因素。
事实上,在爱因斯坦他当初的论著中,就认为:”这个偏转的一半是由于太阳的牛顿引力场造成的; 另一半是太阳导致的空间几何形变(“弯曲”)造成的.”
相对论所有的时空理论计算把如此重要的因素“由于太阳的牛顿引力场造成的这个偏转的一半“全然忽略,声称相对论的时空观取得了精确的验证。

c.该实验在计算论证中,将光在历经太阳表面时太阳离子气物质的棱镜折射忽略了.
诚希望得到一个严正的物理学者的回答:太阳表面大气(包括离子气等)对历经太阳表面的光的折射问题的理论和实验分析在以此作为相对论时空理论的证据时,学术界已经作出讨论或结论(据我所知是没有),这需要的是文献,相关计算、引用数据、计算原理、结果等。

有关太阳大气(包括离子气,或更微物质粒子)对历经太阳表面的光的折射效应,对于验证相对论真伪的问题是否值得研讨。争辩方持否定意见,并认定这是小量。
我坚持认为,这不是一个凭谁的感觉,学识作个判断可以了事的实验问题。因为这是在验证一个普遍成立的时空真理。一个世纪成就。
早晨的晨曦就是一个例证,这是一个巨大的不是以秒计的偏折量。正是因为太阳表面的物质与地表大气有区别,它的偏折量会小得多,但决不是一个可以不以严肃的态度,不加认真的理论、实验检验可以主观忽略的,太阳表面物质的平均动能极大,处于高温状态,这是增大其折射率的另方面因素。当然有人现在考并研究它也是好事,但我们有理由因此提出:“相对论时空实验有拼凑数据之嫌”。或者说该实验实质上是在证明牛顿理论的计算加其它的因素的修正是正确的。
我们注意到,近代的实验对日冕引起的光线偏折作了修正,但却不是对整个太阳大气背境的实验测定,某些相关实验(日掩射电源(高频)的实验)发现,观测到的偏折精度因不同光线频率而受到不同程度的影响,这本身就是太阳大气偏折,色散的物理特征,这更加说明了分析太阳大气偏折的重要性.

相对论学者就此发表了以下评论:
定性的结果是对较低的频率,一定的半径以内和相对论效应同级,但随着频率升高,半径增大,折射效应迅速减小。现在作的都是日掩射电源(高频)的实验,并且随着观测精度的提高,已经可以测量距太阳较远的光线。

我以下文作复:
"较低的频率*,*一定的半径以内*和相对论效应*同级" . 这种结论只能给人带来更大的疑问.

可较低的频率的光仍然会发生偏折!终于找到了一个频率与相对论相对应?
偏折与频率密切相关的事实证明,大气背境的精确验证是必不可缺的重要环节..

d.负偏折

负偏折实验说明,太阳的自转(太阳大气的随动)对历经的光的传播有重大的影响.这也说明”偏折”现象更多的是由一些通常的物理因素产生的.所谓”精确验证”仅是“一些希望相对论时空理论成立的学者们”的良好的愿望。

相对论时空"普遍真理"就由此凑合着被精确验证了!

以上仅供大家审思,错处狠加批判.谢谢.
有关相对论实验的其它文章可参阅网页: http://www20.brinkster.com/tzr9/ WG theory



二:菲索实验是相对论的一个确定反例

菲索实验在使用静水中的折射率代替流水折射率,忽视动流中的涡流,中心速差等因素对折射率的影响.
在这种情况下声称相对论得到精确的验证,这只能说明该实验是相对论的一个确定的反例.

这些简单的事实. 可以让人看清相对论者对待实验的态度.
相对论学者希望相对论时空论正确总以想当然对待实验.一个又一个惊人的伟大成就就此泡制出来



三.审思相对论”水星轨道向径进动实验”的验证原理

先讨论一下相对论洛仑兹变换中的K和K’, K’系的原点从K系内的 x1點 运动到x2點 , 历经时间為 t ﹐ 如果我说﹐在 K系内的观测值不是x1; x2; t. 而是使用相对论洛仑兹变换过的值 x1’; x2’; t’. 大家一定会说我不懂相对论.
又在K系内, 设想一小球绕K系原点O作匀速园周运动,在K系内測 得角速度为w.如果我说﹕ 小球绕K系原点O作匀速园周运动的角速度不是w而是按相对论洛仑兹变换后的值w’, 大家一定也会说我不懂相对论.

天文学家在地球的時空观测到水星的轨道向径每100年进动43”這卻和應該在水星運動時空內觀測的所謂相对论计算值精确相符.
我说, 应该没搞错! 天文学家應该把仪器搬上水星﹐發現這種在地球無法觀測到的轨道進動﹐再说相對論得到驗證才对!


显然,水星轨道向径进动实验在验证原理上的错误:把运动系的时空值当作静系的时空套用.(就不用拼湊這個詞匯吧 ) 這在用等效原理引出广义相对论的過程中是同出一辙的手段。

以上仅供大家审思,错处狠加批判.谢谢.
(乔治·伽莫夫、罗素·斯坦纳德《物理世界奇遇记》最新版,湖南教育出版社2000年)



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实验测得的激光共振频率是512 667 592.4(3.1) MHz
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经典理论预言的共振频率是514 776 111.3(0.8) MHz
实验原理见附件.

实验凑数的要害在于锂离子被加速至高速态0.064C時﹐實 驗計 算的能级分布﹐能级值實 驗使 用了未 經加速初態時的能级分布﹐能级值。而 且僅給出一個速 度下的實 驗結果。

锂离子被加速至高速态0.064C,体系能量(动能)增幅极大.无疑,体系不同的能量(包括体系的动能)决定了体系构成质点的能级值和能级分布.
体系动能改变不大,能级分布可以用体系"平移"近似处理.但体系受强大外电场作用,动能大幅增加.构成质点的能级值和能级分布必然改变.遗憾的是,实验用了加速前的能级频率值,这是对如此精度的实验最起码的质疑.

量子力学体系不是刚性架构,锂离子是多质子体系。体系内质子,电子处于不同的运动状态,当体系受强电场的作用大幅加速时,增加动能的同时,体系的内能也增加,(质子,电子的质量不是同一个量级),而且,所增加的动能并非是按"刚性构架"均匀分配给各个质点,电子速度比质子的速度增加幅值要大得多。体系能级和能级间隔将因总能态的大幅度改变而该变..

在此,我特别要提请注意的是,在强场下大幅度加速引起体系产生的稳定能态跃迁是不可回复逆传如初的。

其实,体系能量的大幅变化产生构成质点的能级值和能级分布的改变可以通过间接的实验结果来验证, 温度是体系内部分子平均动能的标志.通过对不同温度下的某元素能级分布的对照可以给出间接验证. 实验对于必需排除的因素都不予排除,这只是显露了相对论学者高明的数据拼凑术.

附件:
这里我简单介绍一下这个实验的原理。

实验用的发射系统,是高速运动的锂离子。实验用到了锂离子的三个能级,不妨称其为能级1(实际上是2^3S能级下的J=1, F=3/2的超精细能级),能级2(2^3S,J=1, F=5/2),能级3(2^3P, J=2, F=5/2)。其中能级1最低,能级3最高,能级2只比能级1高一点点。它的能级图看起来就像希腊字母lambda,所以称为lambda系统。

先考虑静止的情况。通常情况下,锂离子主要存在于能级1上。当我们用一束激光去轰击锂离子时,如果激光的频率正好等于能级3与能级1的差别时,锂离子就会被激发,跃迁到能级3上。但能级3是不稳定的,锂离子会再次跃迁到能级1或能级2上。这样,轰击的结果,会使处于能级2的锂离子数目大幅度增加。

如果这时再用另一束激光去轰击这些锂离子,而这束激光的频率是可调的。那么当激光的频率调到正好对应于能级3与能级2的差时,激光将会被大幅度吸收,并产生荧光。所涉及的两条光谱线的频率已经被精确的测定,设它们是f1(1->3), f2(3->2)。

现在来考虑运动的情况。设有一束高速运动的锂离子,这些离子的速度有大有小,具有一定的分布(当然分布并不是很宽)。现在从这束离子的背后发射激光,而且激光的频率略高于能级3与能级1的差。由于多普勒效应,锂离子接收到的激光的频率会降低一点,降低多少取决于离子的速度。只有某种具有特定速度的锂离子接收到的激光的频率正好对应于能级3和能级1的差,所以只有这部分锂离子才会被激发,因此也只有这部分锂离子才会大量地处在能级2。

现在在从这束锂离子的正面射去可调激光。同样由于多普勒效应,锂离子接收到的激光频率会略高一些。由于只有被第一束激光选中的那种速度的锂离子才会富集在能级2,也只有当第二束激光的频率经过那个速度下的多普勒频移后正好对应能级3与能级2的差时,激光才会被大量吸收。这个第二束激光的频率,就是所谓的共振频率。通过测量系统发出的荧光的强度,可以得知第二束激光是否与系统发生了共振。

设第一束激光的频率是fa, 第二束激光的频率是fb,被选中的锂离子的速度为v。根据上面的原理,四个频率之间满足以下关系:

f1 = fa * f(v)
f2 = fb * g(v)

两个函数f(v)和g(v)分别是背向和相向的多普勒频移公式,不同的理论给出的函数形式不一样。

对于狭义相对论而言

f1 = fa * k * (1 - v/c)
f2 = fb * k * (1 + v/c)

相乘后,得

f1 * f2 = fa * fb (1)

故狭义相对论预言的共振激光频率应为

fb = f1 * f2 / fa

对于经典理论而言

f1 = fa * (1 - v/c)
f2 = fb * (1 + v/c)

相乘,得

f1 * f2 = fa * fb * (1 - vv/cc) (2)

故经典理论预言的共振激光频率应为

fb = f1 * f2 / fa / (1 - vv/cc)

实验的目的,就是检验相对论预言的共振频率是否与实测值相符。实验的结果,昨天已经给出,这里再补充得完整一点。

实验中第一束激光的频率是fa = 582 490 603.370(0.130) MHz
实验测得共振激光频率是fb = 512 667 592.4(3.1) MHz

静止参照系下两条谱线的频率分别为[这是另一组实验科学家独立测量的,结果发表在Physical Review A 49, 207 (1994)上。下面两个数据是我自己从这篇文献上找来的。Grieser他们用的数据我没有找到,所以用下面这组数据推算的相对论预言值与昨天给出的会略有不同,但都在误差范围内]

f1 = 546 474 963.42 (0.4) MHz
f2 = 546 455 145.74 (0.4) MHz

这个实验构思的精巧之处,就在于对狭义相对论而言,最后的公式(1)中没有出现离子的速度。相对光谱而言,速度是一个比较难以测准的量。由于只用到可以精确测量的光谱数据,这个实验就能对狭义相对论作出非常严格的检验
 [4楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/11/28 09:19 

不断地跟踪所研究领域的最新发展是一个科技人员的基本素质,tongzr是科技人员吗?
Precision spectroscopy at heavy ion storage rings


Laser spectroscopy at heavy ion storage rings allows for high precision tests of special theory of relativity.

These experiments are performed at the Max Planck Institut für Kernphysik in Heidelberg and the GSI in Darmstadt.

Today special theory of relativity is the fundamental model of local spacetime. Because of this fundamental role there is much interest in experimental tests of special relativity. High resolution laser spectroscopy at heavy storage ring TSR in Heidelberg with electron cooled metastable Lithium ions at v=0.065c provides a high precision test of the structure of local spacetime. The experiment at the TSR storage ring is a modern version of the classical Ives-Stilwell experiment, which measures relativistic time dilation via the transverse Doppler effect. The Lithium ions are used as fast moving clocks and the Doppler shifted resonances are probed with lasers stabilized to molecular Iodine. In 1994 first results of the experiment were published resulting in an overall precision of 8·10-7 for the validity of the relativistic Doppler formulas [R.Grieser et al., Appl. Phys. B 59, 127 (1994)].

In contrast to an earlier version of this experiment on metastable Lithium ions at TSR using optical double resonance spectroscopy on a three-level system saturation spectroscopy on a two-level system does not suffer from a large 15fold broadening, which was now found to be caused by velocity changes that the ions experience during several to many round-trips in TSR and which saturation spectroscopy shows to be independent of. Together with the reduction of systematic errors the application of saturation spectroscopy has lead to a new upper limit for deviations from special relativistic time dilation, that improves the hitherto best value by a factor of four [G.Saathoff et al., Phys. Rev. Lett., 91, 190403 (2003)].

In the experiments, which are planned in years 2005-2006, one aims at achieving a further improvement in the accuracy.

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Improved Test of Time Dilation in Special Relativity

G. Saathoff,1 S. Karpuk,2 U. Eisenbarth,1 G. Huber,2 S. Krohn,1 R. Muñoz Horta,1 S. Reinhardt,1 D. Schwalm,1 A. Wolf,1 and G. Gwinner1

1Max-Planck-Institut für Kernphysik, 69029 Heidelberg, Germany
2Institut für Physik, Universität Mainz, 55099 Mainz, Germany
(Phys. Rev. Lett., 91, 190403 (2003) ,Received 24 June 2003; published 4 November 2003)

An improved test of time dilation in special relativity has been performed using laser spectroscopy on fast ions at the heavy-ion storage-ring TSR in Heidelberg. The Doppler-shifted frequencies of a two-level transition in 7Li+ ions at v = 0.064c have been measured in the forward and backward direction to an accuracy of /= 1×10–9 using collinear saturation spectroscopy. The result confirms the relativistic Doppler formula and sets a new limit of 2.2×10–7 for deviations from the time dilation factor SR = (1–v2/c2)–1/2.


 [5楼]  作者:正和  发表时间: 2005/11/28 10:45 

你还不具备分析的基本功,遗臭三天。请原谅我的不客气。
a.实验验证原理的基本错误.

相对论以为,光在真空中直线传播,因物质引力作用了时空,时空的扭曲引起了光的偏折。然而,实验却用这“和时空一致扭曲”的同一束光作测定的基准。[[正和:实验不是用的“和时空一致扭曲的同一束光”,而是用了两束光:太阳在场时的一束,太阳不在场时的另一束。你不具备分析实验的基本功,所以我也懒得一条条驳你。你要驳倒相对论,请先拿出你最有把握的一条证据,凭你的牙口,不要贪多嚼不烂。]]这在实验原理上是确定的错误. 其二,光的真空直线传播要求光在所在时空中,相对于其它参照物(任何对光没有直接作用的参照对象)是直线的,或用本时空的空间、时间量纲对光的运动的描述应该是一直线。特别需提出的是,按相对论的解释,太阳的引力仅对时空产生作用,对光没有直接的作用,因此,光在所在的这一时空中表现出的是直线性态,再重复一遍:用本时空的空间、时间量纲对光的运动的描述应该是一直线[[什么“用量纲来描述光的运动”?估计“量纲”在你心目中是比较高深的词汇了]]。所以说,能以如此装置观测到的偏折这只能是非相对论效应所致
 [6楼]  作者:哲学黑洞  发表时间: 2005/11/28 19:28 

也不能这么说吧,我想:
根据光线弯曲把时空换算弯曲的,也许可以解决一些问题,但是不应该由此认定:就是时空发生了弯曲。

多普勒效应虽然不能证明:光速不变;但是如果说证明了:光速变化,理由也不是很充分。
 [7楼]  作者:哲学黑洞  发表时间: 2005/11/28 19:32 

翻译成中文,让我看看您的观点好吗?
《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生
 [8楼]  作者:tongzr  发表时间: 2005/11/29 00:57 

是否还要简明些你才能懂呢?

“取一白纸或橡质薄面,设定一点作为"观测站";按星图标出一些遥远星系示意点,标出"脉冲星".作出观测站与这些星系点间的联线.

如果观测目镜与"脉冲星"联线间有一棱镜,光线因此发生了偏折.我们必需调正目镜的方位和角度,才能使经棱镜折射后的光线进入目镜,观测到这个脉冲星.

这是我们所说的同一时空体系内物理作用引起光的偏折情况及检测.



如果我们使橡皮薄面受力扭曲,我们看到目镜与"脉冲星"联线也因此扭曲了,但我们无需调正目镜的方位和角度.源于脉冲星的光线仍然是准确无误地进入目镜.这正是因为时空体系的扭曲是整体协调一致的物理现象.在以前的贴中我已作了详细的理论分析.参阅上贴中的附件.



结论:实验能观测到的偏折,只能是同一时空体系物理因素所致;掠经太阳表面光线偏折,以此来证明时空在物质引力下的扭曲存在根本性的原理错误. "
 [9楼]  作者:tongzr  发表时间: 2005/11/29 01:09 

About the WG theory and tongzr
PREFACE

It is well known that, as a supporting experiment for proving a theory a truth should be reliable, and its verifying procedure should be solemn with strict mathematics and physical logic. At the same time all possible explanations by other theories should be eliminated.

At present every body knows the theory of relativity and thinks it is a great achievement in modern physics and a classical truth. In this book I just want to show some evidence and tell the reader that the famous relativity, actually is a false theory with lots of careless data and omissions in its experimental calculations, actually it has not been proved by even one reliable experiment; conversely it has too much contra-evidence. When you take the “dark matter” existence into consideration you will find that mentioned above is an appearance of fact.

Fortunately I haven’t immersed in the wrong premises of relativity, or believed readily those false experiments or evidence of the relativity and gone further away along the grossly absurd relativistic results. But I started the research about the “WG” theory, and worked thoroughly more than 30 years to study and calculate the nature of light propagation and the essential mechanism of basic physical interactions.

The so-called “WG” theory has been established and presented in this book.

I got some help from famous physicists in China who is also famous all over the world in physical academia. I appreciate all those contributors to this work and especially those who helped me to check that WG theory is right in the major principles and mathematical operations.

Maybe one day people will find that my research results of the “WG” theory are involved in some great subjects of modern physics and show a correct vision. All honour from this research belongs to my great motherland, the great China because the government gave me a great support and some great chances to develop my research on the “WG” theory when I stayed in China.

For challenging the false theory of relativity I am now attaching the special chapter as below. This already published on the web site http://wgtheory.go3.icpcn.com/


ABSTRACT

In this synopsis of Professor Tong Zhengrongs theory, he reveals with evidence that the theory of relativity is flawed. His own theory which he has called the WG theory solves all the problems related to relativity at a precision level of more than 10-12 . It also proves with evidence that...

l Light propagates in the medium called Dark matter.

l Strong interaction result from the macro pressure effect of Dark matter.

l Dark matter as well as all elementary particles is composed of a type of original gravitational particle.



The WG theory also answers some important problems associated with modern physics such as...

l Mass-energy.

l A model of stable particles.

l The mechanism of electromagnetic interaction.

l The essence of light propagation.

l The intrinsic origin of the “quantisation of electric charge.

Using simple language to enable a wide range of people to read and understand his theory. Professor Tong has dared to question if Einstein’s theory is true and why for many years academics have accepted Einstein’s theory as a classical truth without a study of any evidence that supports this famous theory.

Professor Tongs study of this subject has been ongoing for over thirty years. He was as a physical research professor and the Director of the Basic Physics Research Department of the D.R.I. in his homeland China. His book a Chinese edition was published by < Shanghai Science and Technology Literature Public Society> in March 1996 “SBN-7-5439-0823-9/0.106 1996.3”. In November 1996 he presented some of his findings to the National Physical Conference of General Relativity and Astrology Gravity Associations in China.

 [10楼]  作者:tongzr  发表时间: 2005/11/29 02:32 

你的思维还在刻舟求剑的水平,为难你了!
要你明白“时空纸”的道理确实是为难你了
 [11楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/11/29 09:37 

Everyone can write down his ideas and alleges he has a theory, and nonscientist can do also.
你的回贴不构成对我跟贴的反驳。Can you understand?
 [12楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/11/29 09:40 

在这里只是摆了一个已发生的事实,没有个人观点。
《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生
 [13楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/11/29 09:44 

现手头忙,等空闲时再给出翻译,若需要的话。
《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生
 [14楼]  作者:tongzr  发表时间: 2005/11/30 00:56 

You are nothing to me do you understand?
You are nothing to me! maybe you are not understand.

THE RELATIVITY - CLASSICAL TRUTH OR A FALSE THEORY?
http://wgtheory.go3.icpcn.com/


Based on sufficient and irrefutable evidence of physics this paper is announcing that the relativistic concept about space-time has a serious error in the domain of modern physics. Examples are given bellow.

3.1 Carelessness and omissions in calculations of major relativistic experiments

The infraction caused by the ionic molecules or plasma gas surrounding the sun has been ignored in experimental calculations for verifying that light deflects in gravitational field surrounding the sun. On the basis of this experiment the relativists have asserted that the gravitational field acts on space and time and bends their axes. Stranger still is that the result of the deflection value is twice that of the theoretical value from relativity, also twice that of the gravitational deflection value. Even Einstein thought that the half value was caused by the gravitational effect. But all research related to relativity has always ignored this half value from its observation.

3.2 All experiments of relativity are actual contra-evidence in thinking of the existence of dark matter.

In astrophysics it has been proved that the universal vacuum actually is filled with a kind of gravitational substance so called the “dark matter”. Its total mass is about 95% of the universal mass. Physicists have found that “dark matter” is composed of “some-rino”, its level of mass order is similar or smaller than the neutrino. This greatest discovery reveals all experiments of relativity to be contra-evidence in itself. For example, in the movement of Mercury in a 100 years period the resistance caused by “dark matter” has been ignored in all theoretical calculations.

3.3 Physical phenomena of moving particles in dark matter

Of course scientists in that era did not have enough knowledge about “dark matter” so had to assert that light is pure energy and propagates in the space of the universe without any carrier or medium. With our current knowledge of “dark matter” and hydromechanics we can state that when an object or a particle moves in “dark matter” its mass, its lifetime and its frequency should vary with its velocity. To understand this easily and clearly you can see from the common phenomenon that the speed of a falling rain drop is faster and this quickly increases the raindrops mass...Almost no other experiment can really prove that relativity is conclusive.

3.4 A converse observation results in “relativistic clock effect” to predict the value of relativity

We can all accept that all results ratiocinated from premises of relativity only relate to the relative movement between two inertial systems. However the results of those experiments on the relativistic clock effect relate to the practical movement between the two inertial systems. The two results are converse to each other in the experiment of the clock effect. From this essential difference a debate in academic circles about the relativistic paradox was raised and unexpectedly disposed of this matter carelessly. Further more the frequency of the atomic clock should be determined by composite force, so that the correct result of these calculations prove that there are no effects of relativity at all in the so called experiments of relativistic clock effect.

3.5 The “250 miles difficulty” in experiments of relativity

The major concepts of relativity about space- time, which have been confirmed by academics as a classical truth, surely can not be accepted when based on those rough verifications of experiments and having no reliability and no strict math-physical logic. Actually relativists know clearly that there is a lot of contra-evidence of relativistic theory, for example the 250 miles difficulty that the Canadian physicist Radir posed, i.e. the results of all experiments with velocity v = 250 mile/sec disagree with all their theoretical calculations of relativity.

3.6 The great achievements of relativity and its false experiments

At that time Einstein lived, it was impossible to know that light matter existed in universal space; How would light be propagated in universal space? Was there any medium or carrier for light? As a scientific explorer he assumed something to explain some light phenomena and believed that light propagates in a vacuum without any medium or carrier and that light is pure energy and so on. But he finally doubted that his theory might be wrong just before dying, showed his great personality and attitude towards seeking the truth from facts.

It can be understood why people were greatly excited by the theory of relativity, because of the idea by which time and the space could be bent by the action of mass. So there existed the starting point of time, the starting point of space and the time stopped area; 1.5x1010 years ago. All of time and space, as well as the mass-energy of the Universe were concentrated on a projectile-like small region. According to Einstein’s theory it may be possible to go back in time or travel into the future. However to confirm something as truth it should be on the basis of reliable evidence, experiments and strict logic and not depend on the beautiful ideas that it may be possible to move in time and space.

3.7 Starting the research on the nature of light, matter and fields.

Of course physics at present requires us to research the nature of light; to learn how light propagates in the form of wave particle duality i.e. its mechanism of light propagation. As a matter of fact we have taken a long time to research this and found at last that there exists really a original particle of light matter but it isn’t the photon quantum hn. I call it WG as mentioned below. The light matter WG puts forward possesses gravitational character. Its level of mass order is 3.6 x 10-42 g. which fills up all space in the universe and permeates in the micro world between elementary particles. So there must exist the macro pressure effect of light matter. The calculated results perfectly agree with the strength and the short-range character of the strong interaction. After further researching the character of the light matter in free space, we find that the photon quantum is a phenomenon of wave-particle interference in space filled with the light matter WG. It's a kind of standing wave in mathematical form. Certainly it has been confirmed by the discovery of “dark matter”. The nature of the photon quantum hn (n can get the value from 0 to infinite) has been found as a certain quantity of WG that the object system emits or absorbs when the system is stimulated. The character of WG determines the value of h and the value of n, which is determined by the relations of “Schrödinger” equation of the object system.

Obviously the matter character and the mechanism of light propagation were real puzzles to the scholars in Einstein’s era. They assumed that light is pure energy to amend the basic concepts about the mass and the energy of previous physics so as to fit the mathematical form of relativity. Relativists assert that the mass and the energy are exchangeable with each other. The mass can disappear and that corresponding pure energy could be created immediately; or that certain energy could also be transform to the corresponding mass. Any physicist knows that light possesses some major characteristics that some normal objects possess such as light pressure and impulse. In spite of these facts relativists still insist on the concept that light is pure energy...

Certainly, they have their right to believe in relativity or any other theory as being a classical truth. But surely we must insist on the basic physical principles. We must check if the facts and the evidence of this great theory are proved, trustworthy and realistic. However most of the relativists have usually shown the attitude of trusting and not that of scholars who should have questioned and examined the evidence when learning and commenting on theories. This would have given me more confidence to know the scientists in the domain of physics were looking to find the nature of light matter and the mechanism of light propagation and find the nature of various field matters and the essential mechanisms of those interactions.

3.8 Brief introduction about the WG theory

This paper presents the completed research of WG theory as follows. Perhaps some of my results in this very important physical domain are important and will catch the attention of relevant academia.

(a) The photon quantum is a phenomenon of wave-particle interference in the “dark matter”. It’s a kind of standing wave of the wave-particle interference in mathematical form.

(b) The “dark matter” is made of the original particle of light matter so-called the WG with mass order of 3.6 x 10-42g (* Notice1. the evidence attached) and possesses gravitational property. There must exist the macro pressure effect of the cosmic “dark matter”. The calculation results perfectly agree with the strength and short-range character of the strong interaction.

(c) All elemental particles are made of the light matter WG (* Notice2. the evidence attached). By regarding the conditions mentioned above, a math-physical model of stable elemental particles can be made. The “micro black hole” has only three stable states of the mass and the scale, being set in the dynamical equilibrium with the universe by absorbing and emitting light matter WG, corresponding to the proton, electron and neutron.

(d) From the principles above, a model of the essential mechanism of electromagnetic interaction has been made. Meanwhile the three mean electromagnetic experimental laws have also been derived theoretically. Therefore, we can understand clearly why the electric charge is quantized.

(e) As to the reasons of “big bang”, it seems more reasonable that there was a contracting system caused by the interaction of the gravitational force before the “big bang”. According to the WG theory, when the density of the mass of the system reached a critical value there was no interaction mechanism of gravity and the “big bang” happened finally.

[*Notice1. The theoretical mass value of light matter WG (3.6 x 10-42g) has been confirmed by Feinbertg’s observation of pulsar 1969 (the observation value in 10-44g and by Debroglie’s observation of binary system 1940 (the observation value in 0.8 x 10-39g).

[*Notice2.

(1). All particles and antiparticles can be annihilated into the state of light energy.

(2). All kinds of matter have the same form of energy in all Smc² that equate to total energy when matter transforms into light state.

(3). All macro or micro objects have the same gravitational property.


 [15楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/12/01 10:36 

I understand it of course, becourse you are non-scientist and I am not.
《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生
 [16楼]  作者:无尘宗禅  发表时间: 2005/12/01 10:37 

I understand it of course, becourse you are non-scientist and I am not.
《科学时报》:勇于挑战的谭暑生

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