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Sagnac效应本质上是经典的多普勒效应,广义和狭义相对论的解释都错了
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 Sagnac效应本质上是经典的多普勒效应,广义和狭义相对论的解释都错了    有关Sagnac效应的讨论很多,想要三言两语说清楚本帖标题的内容是不可能的。陈老師在他的英文书不带假设的相对论和量子力学以及引力的起源》第一章中用了很大篇幅讨论Sagnac效应,要详细了解其内容,最好是看原文(各省市图书馆和各研究性大学图书馆都有)。为了方便一些想大概了解一下的网友,我在此做一个简要的介绍。    以往许多解释的关键出错在:Sagnac效应与迈-莫实验一样,实际测量的是相位差,而不是速度差。已有解释都是从速度差的光程差得出待测的相位差,但是实际的相位差不但取决于光程差,还与光波的频率变化以及波长变化直接相关,没有考虑到被比较的两光束可能存在的频率差和波长差,仅仅考虑了被比较的两光束的光程差,漏掉产生相位差的另一重要因素,其计算结果必然出错。为了使大家对所讨论的问题有个概括的全面了解,下面将先贴出英文书目录(仅第一章我附了中译文)
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Relativity and Quantum Mechanics without Hypothesis and Origin of Gravitation   不带假设的相对论和量子力学以及引力的起源

 Chen Shaoguang

Catalogue

Preface 

Catalogue

Introduction 

  Chapter 1 Relativity and Quantum Mechanics Established from Measuring Results of Doppler Effect由多普勒的测量结果建立的相对论和量子力学1.1 Space / Time and Coordinate Systems…空间/时间和坐标系1.1.1 International definition of basal units基本单位的国际定义1.1.2 Metrical space/time of Galilean original idea伽利略原初的测量的空间/时间 

1.1.3 Absolute space/time with Galilean invariance伽利略不变性的空间/时间 

1.1.4 Relative space-time with Lorentz invariance洛仑兹不变性的相对空间-时间

1.2 Self-Inconsistent Test Theory of Special Relativity不自洽狭义相对论验验理论

1.2.1 Classical ether theory经典以太论 

1.2.2 Robertson’s theory…Robertson的理论 

1.2.3 Mansouri–Sexl’s theory…Mansouri–Sexl的理论 

1.3 Doppler Effect of Absolute Velocities…绝对速度的多普勒效应 

1.3.1 Exclusive self-consistent selection唯一自洽的选择 

1.3.2 Preferred vacuum frame and absolute velocity…优越的真空坐标和绝对速 

1.3.3 Doppler effect of absolute velocity in Michelson type interferometer在迈克尔逊型式干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应在 1.3.4 Doppler effect of absolute velocity in Sagnac interferometer Sagnac干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应 1.3.5 Doppler effect of fiber’s absolute velocity in generalized Sagnac interferometer在广义的Sagnac干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应 

1.4 Experiments for Testing Special Relativity…检验狹义相对论的实验 

1.4.1 Method of heterodyne beat frequency with common mode restraint technique带共模抑制技术的外差拍频法 

1.4.2 Twinborn interferometer and experimental test for the isotropy of two-way speed of light…孪生干涉仪与双向光速各向同性的实验检验 

 1.4.3 Sagnac test  Sagnac的检验 

1.4.4 Michelson and Gale test…   MichelsonGale的检验

1.4.5 Generalized Sagnac effect…  广义的Sagnac的检验 

 1.4.6 Sagnac effect confrontation relativity…  Sagnac效应对抗相对论 

1.5 Methods for Calibrating Two Clocks at Different Places…校准不同地点两钟的方法 

 1.5.1 Clock synchronization with a single clock and an ultrasonic medium line用一个钟和一根超声传输线的钟同步 1.5.2 Clock synchronization with a single clock and an optically anisotropic crystalloid line用一个钟和一根光学各向异性晶体线的钟同步 1.5.3 Clock synchronization with dual-counters cum real-time operation of computer用双计数器连同计算机实時运算的钟同步.5.4 Bypass the clock synchronization with international units of quantum transition state用量子跃迁态的国际单位躲开钟同步 

1.6 Methods for Measuring One-way Velocity of Light 测量单向光速的方法 

1.6.1 Direct measurement…直接测量 

 1.6.2 Indirect measurement…间接测量  1.6.3 Measurement by means of heterodyne interference and beat frequency…用外差干涉和拍频法测量1.7 Direct Experiment Test of Clock-Slow and Ruler-Contract Effects of Lorentz Transformation…罗仑兹变换的钟慢与尺缩效应的直接的实验检验 1.8 Uncertainty Principle Caused by the Collision of a Particle with CMB Photons and Virtual Photons由一个粒子与CMB光子和虚光子的碰撞引起的测不准原理  1.9 Relativity and Quantum Mechanics Based on the Measures of One-way Velocity of Light and Doppler Frequency Shift基于单向光速和多普勒频移测量的相对论和量子力学 1.10 Origin of Virtual Particle in Quantum Field Theory…量子场论中的虚粒子的起源 Chapter 2 Origin of Gravitation 

2.1 New Version of General Relativity

2.2 Quasi-Casimir Effect of Vacuum Polarization in Weak Interaction

2.3 Formula of Vacuum Polarization Pressure in Weak Interaction

 2.3.1 Vacuum fluctuation virtual neutrino ν0 

2.3.2 Pressure exerted on isolated mass-point by ν0 —— zero net force

2.3.3 Pressure exerted on non-isolated mass-point by ν0 —— non-zero net force

2.3.4 Background radiation true particles in dynamic equilibrium with the vacuum fluctuation victual particles

2.4 Schwarzschild’s Metric and Einstein’s Equation Derived from Quantum Field Theory

2.4.1 Schwarzschild’s metric derived from quasi-Casimir force

 2.4.2 Einstein’s equation derived from the equivalence principle within quasi-Casimir force

2.4.3 Compensating action of electric polarization caused by gravity—Why gravitation is independent of the composition of matter

2.5 Quasi-Casimir Pressure in Weak Interaction — Gravitation

2.6 Grand Unification of Gravitation and Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic Interactions

2.7 Gravitational Field —Net Virtual Neutrino ν0 Flux

 2.8 Relativity Essentially Related to Quantum Theory

 2.8.1 Constancy principle of the light speed based on the uncertainty principle

  2.8.2 Equivalent principle based on Pauli’s exclusion principle

2.8.3 Changes in mass by inductive energy transfer of general relativity and by mass renormalization in quantum field theory

Chapter 3 Gravitational Quantum Effects and Velocity Dependency

3.1 Positive-Negative Charge Separation by Gravitation and the Magnetic Moment Accompanied with Angular Momentum

 3.1.1 Experimental and observational evidences for the hypothesis of magnetic moment accompanied with angular momentum

  3.1.2 Magnetic field of rotational celestial body originates from the positive-negative charge separation of atoms by gravitational origin mechanism

  3.1.3 Physical effect of “absolute” velocity relative to microwave background radiation

3.2 Non-conservation of Energy in Gravitational Interaction and Time Arrowhead

3.3 Gravitational Waves of Dipolar Radiation

 3.3.1 Change rate in orbital period of pulsar binary by dipolar radiation

 3.3.2 Minkovski’s space-time cannot bear and carry the gravitational wave of quadrupole radiation

 3.3.3 Energy flux density of dipolar radiation from some celestial bodies

3.3.4 Weber detected the gravitational wave of dipole radiation

3.4 Velocity Dependency of Gravitation

3.5 Explanation for the Un-modeled Anomalous Acceleration of Pioneer

 3.6 Experiment Plan of Testing the Velocity Dependency of Gravitation

3.7 Prediction “GP-B Would Not Be Able to Detect the Advance of Lense-Thirring Effect

3.8 Temperature Effects of Gravitation

Chapter 4 Shielding Effect of Gravitation and Its Experimental Tests 

 4.1 Formula of Gravitational Shielding Effect

4.2 Experimental Results with Torsion Balance Method on the Deviation to the Inverse Square Law

4.3 Experimental Results with Geophysics Method on Detecting the Fifth Kind Force

4.4 Experimental Results with Para-conical Pendulum and Torsion Pendulum

4.5 Experimental Results with Gravimeter on Allais’s Effect

4.5.1 Gravity from the sun on gravimeter cancelled out mainly by centrifugal force

 4.5.2 Asymmetry of the solid tide valley value caused by the earth to shield the solar gravity 4.5.3 Gravity anomalous valley caused by the moon shielding the solar gravity during the couse of the solar eclipse

4.5.4 Relative gravimeters —— the apparatus of differential measurement of time or space gradient of gravity

 4.5.5 Maximum gradient of solar gravity should be before the first contact and after the fourth contact during the eclipse

4.5.6 Atomic clock cannot respond to the gravity gradient caused by the eclipse

4.5.7 Solid tide on the day of the solar eclipse

4.6 Neutrino Oscillation and Number Density of Virtual Photon, Virtual Neutrino

4.6.1 Analysis of experimental evidences for neutrino oscillation

 4.6.2 Number density of virtual photon and virtual neutrino

4.6.3 Times of collision between solar neutrino and virtual neutrino of vacuum fluctuation 

4.7 “Dark Matter” by Gravitational Nonlinearity

4.8 “Dark Energy” by Gravitational Nonlinearity

4.9 Black Hole inside Neutron Star by Gravitational Nonlinearity

Chapter 5 Gravitational Redshift on the Way and Its Experimental Test 

5.1 Measurable Quantity of Gravitational Redshift

5.2 Gravitational Redshift on the Way Derived from Quantum Field Theory

5.3 Gravitational Redshift on the Way Derived from General Relativity

5.4 Prediction of Gravitational Redshift on the Way Is Consistent with Predictions of Deflection of Light and Radar Echo Delay

5.5 Experimental Result of Radar Echo Delay — An Evidence of Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.6 Observational Results of Deflection of Light — Another Evidence of Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.7 γ Ray Redshift Experiments in Laboratory Have Already Confirmed Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.8 Experiments for Gravitational Redshift on Aircraft

5.9 Experiment Plan to Test Gravitational Redshift on the Way

Chapter 6 True Universe  

6.1 Hubble’s Redshift, Just the Gravitational Redshift on the Way

6.2 Einstein’s Mistake Leading to the Hypothesis of Universe Expanding

6.2.1 Gravitational redshift deduced by Einstein with Newtonian law

  6.2.2 Gravitational redshift deduced by Einstein with the time component of metric

6.2.3 Gravitational redshift deduced by Weinberg with the equivalence principle

6.3 Hubble’s Law and the Dispersibility of the Redshift Curve

6.4 Abnormal Redshift and Missing Mass

6.5 Puzzle about Quasars

6.6 Microwave Background Radiation

6.7 Neutrino Background Radiation

6.8 Abundance of Helium and Age of the Cosmos

6.9 Brightness Paradox and Gravitation Paradox

6.10 Cosmological Principle

6.11 Localized Cosmos — Sky outside Sky

References Total

From the Author 

[楼主]  [3楼]  作者:szshanshan  发表时间: 2012/11/16 00:18 

Relativity and Quantum Mechanics without Hypothesis and Origin of Gravitation   不带假设的相对论和量子力学以及引力的起源

 Chen Shaoguang

Catalogue

Preface 

Catalogue

Introduction 

  Chapter 1 Relativity and Quantum Mechanics Established from Measuring Results of Doppler Effect由多普勒的测量结果建立的相对论和量子力学1.1 Space / Time and Coordinate Systems…空间/时间和坐标系1.1.1 International definition of basal units基本单位的国际定义1.1.2 Metrical space/time of Galilean original idea伽利略原初的测量的空间/时间 

1.1.3 Absolute space/time with Galilean invariance伽利略不变性的空间/时间 

1.1.4 Relative space-time with Lorentz invariance洛仑兹不变性的相对空间-时间

1.2 Self-Inconsistent Test Theory of Special Relativity不自洽狭义相对论验验理论

1.2.1 Classical ether theory经典以太论 

1.2.2 Robertson’s theory…Robertson的理论 

1.2.3 Mansouri–Sexl’s theory…Mansouri–Sexl的理论 

1.3 Doppler Effect of Absolute Velocities…绝对速度的多普勒效应 

1.3.1 Exclusive self-consistent selection唯一自洽的选择 

1.3.2 Preferred vacuum frame and absolute velocity…优越的真空坐标和绝对速 

1.3.3 Doppler effect of absolute velocity in Michelson type interferometer在迈克尔逊型式干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应在 1.3.4 Doppler effect of absolute velocity in Sagnac interferometer Sagnac干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应 1.3.5 Doppler effect of fiber’s absolute velocity in generalized Sagnac interferometer在广义的Sagnac干涉仪中的绝对速度的多普勒效应 

1.4 Experiments for Testing Special Relativity…检验狹义相对论的实验 

1.4.1 Method of heterodyne beat frequency with common mode restraint technique带共模抑制技术的外差拍频法 

1.4.2 Twinborn interferometer and experimental test for the isotropy of two-way speed of light…孪生干涉仪与双向光速各向同性的实验检验 

 1.4.3 Sagnac test  Sagnac的检验 

1.4.4 Michelson and Gale test…   MichelsonGale的检验

1.4.5 Generalized Sagnac effect…  广义的Sagnac的检验 

 1.4.6 Sagnac effect confrontation relativity…  Sagnac效应对抗相对论 

1.5 Methods for Calibrating Two Clocks at Different Places…校准不同地点两钟的方法 

 1.5.1 Clock synchronization with a single clock and an ultrasonic medium line用一个钟和一根超声传输线的钟同步 1.5.2 Clock synchronization with a single clock and an optically anisotropic crystalloid line用一个钟和一根光学各向异性晶体线的钟同步 1.5.3 Clock synchronization with dual-counters cum real-time operation of computer用双计数器连同计算机实時运算的钟同步.5.4 Bypass the clock synchronization with international units of quantum transition state用量子跃迁态的国际单位躲开钟同步 

1.6 Methods for Measuring One-way Velocity of Light 测量单向光速的方法 

1.6.1 Direct measurement…直接测量 

 1.6.2 Indirect measurement…间接测量  1.6.3 Measurement by means of heterodyne interference and beat frequency…用外差干涉和拍频法测量1.7 Direct Experiment Test of Clock-Slow and Ruler-Contract Effects of Lorentz Transformation…罗仑兹变换的钟慢与尺缩效应的直接的实验检验 1.8 Uncertainty Principle Caused by the Collision of a Particle with CMB Photons and Virtual Photons由一个粒子与CMB光子和虚光子的碰撞引起的测不准原理  1.9 Relativity and Quantum Mechanics Based on the Measures of One-way Velocity of Light and Doppler Frequency Shift基于单向光速和多普勒频移测量的相对论和量子力学 1.10 Origin of Virtual Particle in Quantum Field Theory…量子场论中的虚粒子的起源 Chapter 2 Origin of Gravitation 

2.1 New Version of General Relativity

2.2 Quasi-Casimir Effect of Vacuum Polarization in Weak Interaction

2.3 Formula of Vacuum Polarization Pressure in Weak Interaction

 2.3.1 Vacuum fluctuation virtual neutrino ν0 

2.3.2 Pressure exerted on isolated mass-point by ν0 —— zero net force

2.3.3 Pressure exerted on non-isolated mass-point by ν0 —— non-zero net force

2.3.4 Background radiation true particles in dynamic equilibrium with the vacuum fluctuation victual particles

2.4 Schwarzschild’s Metric and Einstein’s Equation Derived from Quantum Field Theory

2.4.1 Schwarzschild’s metric derived from quasi-Casimir force

 2.4.2 Einstein’s equation derived from the equivalence principle within quasi-Casimir force

2.4.3 Compensating action of electric polarization caused by gravity—Why gravitation is independent of the composition of matter

2.5 Quasi-Casimir Pressure in Weak Interaction — Gravitation

2.6 Grand Unification of Gravitation and Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic Interactions

2.7 Gravitational Field —Net Virtual Neutrino ν0 Flux

 2.8 Relativity Essentially Related to Quantum Theory

 2.8.1 Constancy principle of the light speed based on the uncertainty principle

  2.8.2 Equivalent principle based on Pauli’s exclusion principle

2.8.3 Changes in mass by inductive energy transfer of general relativity and by mass renormalization in quantum field theory

Chapter 3 Gravitational Quantum Effects and Velocity Dependency

3.1 Positive-Negative Charge Separation by Gravitation and the Magnetic Moment Accompanied with Angular Momentum

 3.1.1 Experimental and observational evidences for the hypothesis of magnetic moment accompanied with angular momentum

  3.1.2 Magnetic field of rotational celestial body originates from the positive-negative charge separation of atoms by gravitational origin mechanism

  3.1.3 Physical effect of “absolute” velocity relative to microwave background radiation

3.2 Non-conservation of Energy in Gravitational Interaction and Time Arrowhead

3.3 Gravitational Waves of Dipolar Radiation

 3.3.1 Change rate in orbital period of pulsar binary by dipolar radiation

 3.3.2 Minkovski’s space-time cannot bear and carry the gravitational wave of quadrupole radiation

 3.3.3 Energy flux density of dipolar radiation from some celestial bodies

3.3.4 Weber detected the gravitational wave of dipole radiation

3.4 Velocity Dependency of Gravitation

3.5 Explanation for the Un-modeled Anomalous Acceleration of Pioneer

 3.6 Experiment Plan of Testing the Velocity Dependency of Gravitation

3.7 Prediction “GP-B Would Not Be Able to Detect the Advance of Lense-Thirring Effect

3.8 Temperature Effects of Gravitation

Chapter 4 Shielding Effect of Gravitation and Its Experimental Tests 

 4.1 Formula of Gravitational Shielding Effect

4.2 Experimental Results with Torsion Balance Method on the Deviation to the Inverse Square Law

4.3 Experimental Results with Geophysics Method on Detecting the Fifth Kind Force

4.4 Experimental Results with Para-conical Pendulum and Torsion Pendulum

4.5 Experimental Results with Gravimeter on Allais’s Effect

4.5.1 Gravity from the sun on gravimeter cancelled out mainly by centrifugal force

 4.5.2 Asymmetry of the solid tide valley value caused by the earth to shield the solar gravity 4.5.3 Gravity anomalous valley caused by the moon shielding the solar gravity during the couse of the solar eclipse

4.5.4 Relative gravimeters —— the apparatus of differential measurement of time or space gradient of gravity

 4.5.5 Maximum gradient of solar gravity should be before the first contact and after the fourth contact during the eclipse

4.5.6 Atomic clock cannot respond to the gravity gradient caused by the eclipse

4.5.7 Solid tide on the day of the solar eclipse

4.6 Neutrino Oscillation and Number Density of Virtual Photon, Virtual Neutrino

4.6.1 Analysis of experimental evidences for neutrino oscillation

 4.6.2 Number density of virtual photon and virtual neutrino

4.6.3 Times of collision between solar neutrino and virtual neutrino of vacuum fluctuation 

4.7 “Dark Matter” by Gravitational Nonlinearity

4.8 “Dark Energy” by Gravitational Nonlinearity

4.9 Black Hole inside Neutron Star by Gravitational Nonlinearity

Chapter 5 Gravitational Redshift on the Way and Its Experimental Test 

5.1 Measurable Quantity of Gravitational Redshift

5.2 Gravitational Redshift on the Way Derived from Quantum Field Theory

5.3 Gravitational Redshift on the Way Derived from General Relativity

5.4 Prediction of Gravitational Redshift on the Way Is Consistent with Predictions of Deflection of Light and Radar Echo Delay

5.5 Experimental Result of Radar Echo Delay — An Evidence of Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.6 Observational Results of Deflection of Light — Another Evidence of Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.7 γ Ray Redshift Experiments in Laboratory Have Already Confirmed Gravitational Redshift on the Way

5.8 Experiments for Gravitational Redshift on Aircraft

5.9 Experiment Plan to Test Gravitational Redshift on the Way

Chapter 6 True Universe  

6.1 Hubble’s Redshift, Just the Gravitational Redshift on the Way

6.2 Einstein’s Mistake Leading to the Hypothesis of Universe Expanding

6.2.1 Gravitational redshift deduced by Einstein with Newtonian law

  6.2.2 Gravitational redshift deduced by Einstein with the time component of metric

6.2.3 Gravitational redshift deduced by Weinberg with the equivalence principle

6.3 Hubble’s Law and the Dispersibility of the Redshift Curve

6.4 Abnormal Redshift and Missing Mass

6.5 Puzzle about Quasars

6.6 Microwave Background Radiation

6.7 Neutrino Background Radiation

6.8 Abundance of Helium and Age of the Cosmos

6.9 Brightness Paradox and Gravitation Paradox

6.10 Cosmological Principle

6.11 Localized Cosmos — Sky outside Sky

References Total

From the Author 

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为什么删我的贴?
Sagnac 效应不可能有频率变化,因此与多普勒效应无关。这是显而易见的。
只要考虑一下光的波的个数,以光纤环为例,光纤环中光的波的个数不可能不断增加或减少。由此可知,出来的波的个数,必然等于进入的波的个数。因此,光的频率不可能有变化,因此与多普勒效应无关。
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