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[楼主] 作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间:2006/01/17 01:16
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风尘,你帮我在国外的官方网站上查一查,最好是很权威的那种,查一查中国的文明历史是不是5000年?
注意是文明!
另外问一下你们身边的外国朋友,问他们知道不知道四大古文明?
着重问一下他们知道不知道中国是属于这四大文明当中的!
刚看到了一个王八蛋式的文章,我在批驳,需要证据!也帮小狼解除心中的一个疑惑.
请能帮上忙的朋友帮帮小狼
谢谢了:)

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 [2楼]  作者:通通笨蛋  发表时间: 2006/01/17 01:24 

回复:哈哈看你急的
紧急求助风尘个事情!其他在国外的朋友也请帮帮忙~~
 [3楼]  作者:潜水都相同  发表时间: 2006/01/17 01:27 

我国历史学家建议重排四大古文明位次





















我国历史学家建议重排四大古文明位次

《中央电视台》 2000-11-15










“由于长江流域河姆渡等地的考古发现,世界历史应当改写,各大古文明的
位次也有必要重新排列。”日前,中华民族史研究会会长史式教授向外界提出了
自己的新观点。

史教授认为,“中华文明五千年是我们说的,西方学者从来没有承认过。他
们只肯承认有甲骨文记载以后的历史,也就是黄河文明只有3000余年之说。”过
去,世界史对四大古文明的排列是:第一,尼罗河文明,距今6000余年;第二,
两河文明,距今5000余年;第三,印度河文明,距今4000余年;第四,黄河文明
,距今3000余年。

从70年代起,国内许多重要的考古发现之中,首屈一指的是1973年发现的浙
江河姆渡遗址,这里出土了7000年前的人工栽培水稻。1979年,又发现了湖南城
头山遗址,这里出现了6000年前的古城、6000年前的祭坛、6500年前的水稻田。
在洞庭湖区域,还发现了距今8000年至9000年前的人工水稻。现有的发现,说明
长江流域的一些文明因素比黄河流域要早。

史式说:“过去由西方学者写出来的世界史必须改写,一切只有利于西方殖
民者的史学理论必须推翻,文明的标准必须重定。”“这项工作必须让全世界各
民族的学者共同参加,不能让少数学者包办,应该让全人类的史书恢复历史的本
来面目。”(河南报业网)






 [4楼]  作者:不意染风尘  发表时间: 2006/01/17 04:05 

TMD

粗口的历史一定长过文明,几乎可以肯定。TMD,这是看到你这帖后我说的前三个字,于是原样给你过目。

你一向无事不登三宝殿,一有事情就抓我过来抵挡?看见你召唤,总有心惊肉跳之感,看,如今又想要我做体力活计。我难道不会累?我就是驴就是马,也得有卸了缰绳歇息时刻吧。不过,你踩谁骂谁,还要我帮手组织材料?这似乎会胜之不武,有施用车轮战之嫌。

警告先,未必会有结果,慢慢等,若一定要有个期限,三年两载也是有可能的。

 [5楼]  作者:浅笑兮兮  发表时间: 2006/01/17 09:55 

回复:就我所知
国外学者承认我国的文明是自晚商开始,即殷墟有甲骨文开始,以年代看,是公元前1300年左右(剑桥先秦史)

也有部分学者承认早商,如果是,最早可到公元前1600年

中国学者最保守的认为中国文明始自夏代,前提是二里头文化是夏,但这个观点遭到了国外学者的围攻

大多中国学者认为中国文明在距今4000年左右已经产生

按最早的5000年的说法,中国文明在世界文明中也是较晚的。实在是算不上悠久(埃及文明和美索不达米亚文明都是公元前4000前)。但有一个重要点,是世界许多文明都中断了,唯有中国文明延续至今。


 [6楼]  作者:爱小坏  发表时间: 2006/01/17 10:16 

回复:历史如果不为我所用,理他做甚!
比如王安石的变法,真是滑天下之大稽!

宁可篡改列*宁的原意,也要为1978年的改革做理论的铺垫,这就是典型的中国政治!当然,也好在有1978年的改革,才有今天言论自由的长空!


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 [7楼]  作者:不管3821  发表时间: 2006/01/17 10:21 

回复:你都没把握,怎么还敢驳?
自己不了解的事就仓促上阵,会很危险的
问问你,夏商周断代工程为什么有断代二字?现在有个明确的说法没有?
不敢讥笑民族自尊心和民族自豪感,但是,必须建立在真实的基础上,不然,和穿着新装的皇帝有什么区别?

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 [8楼]  作者:帮亲不帮理  发表时间: 2006/01/17 10:26 

回复:未必
外松内紧,笼子宽敞了点罢了
平安无事喽,但还是要:小心烛火。。。
 [9楼]  作者:帮亲不帮理  发表时间: 2006/01/17 10:29 

回复:关键是
我们要挤进四大:)
不知这个四有什么好
这下好,反正总得挤一个下来,埃及和两河是不敢明目张胆弄人家
只好在印度呀波斯呀特别是爱琴身上动脑筋了:)
 [10楼]  作者:不意染风尘  发表时间: 2006/01/17 11:12 

略有斩获

搅了半天,发现查错了一项,我去找四大发明了,真是懊丧,不过据我知,中国没办法不是四大文明古国,推都推不掉,只有当仁不让。等下我再去国外的网站寻一下,你先看这个是否有帮助。

 

The History Of China, as documented in ancient writings, dates back some 3,300 years. Modern archaeological studies provide evidence of still more ancient origins in a culture that flourished between 2500 and 2000 B.C. in what is now central China and the lower Huang He ( orYellow River) Valley of north China. Centuries of migration, amalgamation, and development brought about a distinctive system of writing, philosophy, art, and political organization that came to be recognizable as Chinese civilization. What makes the civilization unique in world history is its continuity through over 4,000 years to the present century.

The Chinese have developed a strong sense of their real and mythological origins and have kept voluminous records since very early times. It is largely as a result of these records that knowledge concerning the ancient past, not only of China but also of its neighbors, has survived.

Chinese history, until the twentieth century, was written mostly by members of the ruling scholar-official class and was meant to provide the ruler with precedents to guide or justify his policies. These accounts focused on dynastic politics and colorful court histories and included developments among the commoners only as backdrops. The historians described a Chinese political pattern of dynasties, one following another in a cycle of ascent, achievement, decay, and rebirth under a new family.

Of the consistent traits identified by independent historians, a salient one has been the capacity of the Chinese to absorb the people of surrounding areas into their own civilization. Their success can be attributed to the superiority of their ideographic written language, their technology, and their political institutions; the refinement of their artistic and intellectual creativity; and the sheer weight of their numbers. The process of assimilation continued over the centuries through conquest and colonization until what is now known as China Proper was brought under unified rule. The Chinese also left an enduring mark on people beyond their borders, especially the Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese.

Another recurrent historical theme has been the unceasing struggle of the sedentary Chinese against the threat posed to their safety and way of life by non-Chinese peoples on the margins of their territory in the north, northeast, and northwest. In the thirteenth century, the Mongols from the northern steppes became the first alien people to conquer all China. Although not as culturally developed as the Chinese, they left some imprint on Chinese civilization while heightening Chinese perceptions of threat from the north. China came under alien rule for the second time in the mid-seventeenth century; the conquerors--the Manchus--came again from the north and northeast.

For centuries virtually all the foreigners that Chinese rulers saw came from the less developed societies along their land borders. This circumstance conditioned the Chinese view of the outside world. The Chinese saw their domain as the self-sufficient center of the universe and derived from this image the traditional (and still used) Chinese name for their country--Zhongguo () , literally, Middle Kingdom or Central Nation. China saw itself surrounded on all sides by so-called barbarian peoples whose cultures were demonstrably inferior by Chinese standards. This China-centered ("sinocentric") view of the world was still undisturbed in the nineteenth century, at the time of the first serious confrontation with the West. China had taken it for granted that its relations with Europeans would be conducted according to the tributary system that had evolved over the centuries between the emperor and representatives of the lesser states on China's borders as well as between the emperor and some earlier European visitors. But by the mid-nineteenth century, humiliated militarily by superior Western weaponry and technology and faced with imminent territorial dismemberment, China began to reassess its position with respect to Western civilization. By 1911 the two-millennia-old dynastic system of imperial government was brought down by its inability to make this adjustment successfully.

Because of its length and complexity, the history of the Middle Kingdom lends itself to varied interpretation. After the communist takeover in 1949, historians in mainland China wrote their own version of the past--a history of China built on a Marxist model of progression from primitive communism to slavery, feudalism, capitalism, and finally socialism. The events of history came to be presented as a function of the class struggle. Historiography became subordinated to proletarian politics fashioned and directed by the Chinese Communist Party. A series of thought-reform and antirightist campaigns were directed against intellectuals in the arts, sciences, and academic community. The Cultural Revolution (1966-76) further altered the objectivity of historians. In the years after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976, however, interest grew within the party, and outside it as well, in restoring the integrity of historical inquiry. This trend was consistent with the party's commitment to "seeking truth from facts." As a result, historians and social scientists raised probing questions concerning the state of historiography in China. Their investigations included not only historical study of traditional China but penetrating inquiries into modern Chinese history and the history of the Chinese Communist Party.

In post-Mao China, the discipline of historiography has not been separated from politics, although a much greater range of historical topics has been discussed. Figures from Confucius--who was bitterly excoriated for his "feudal" outlook by Cultural Revolution-era historians--to Mao himself have been evaluated with increasing flexibility. Among the criticisms made by Chinese social scientists is that Maoist-era historiography distorted Marxist and Leninist interpretations. This meant that considerable revision of historical texts was in order in the 1980s, although no substantive change away from the conventional Marxist approach was likely. Historical institutes were restored within the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, and a growing corps of trained historians, in institutes and academia alike, returned to their work with the blessing of the Chinese Communist Party. This in itself was a potentially significant development.

 

 

[楼主]  [11楼]  作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间: 2006/01/17 11:32 

回复:谢谢是以后的事情~~`
关键是风尘要从国外的权威网站去找
有些中国人就喜欢当奴才
非拿着外国的说法当圣旨!
谢谢风尘
你的举手之劳却给了我很多:)
接着帮我找去
一定是权威机构的资料~

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[楼主]  [12楼]  作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间: 2006/01/17 11:34 

回复:就算中国不是四大古文明
• 至迟在公元前五世纪历史学家希罗多德的时代,希腊人就已经隐约的知道有一种“北方”文明,一条横穿欧亚平原的小道把它和黑海北岸的希腊殖民地诸城邦连接起来,而欧亚平原正是希腊的这些海外殖民地的大陆腹地。我们可以猜到,不管它的名称是指什么,所谓“北方”文明,并不在“北风吹来的方向”,而是位于欧亚大陆平原东部,实际上就是中国,后亚历山大的希腊人和罗马人把他们称做“赛利斯”或“希娜”。
以上引自历史学大师阿诺德•汤因比的“大地与人类的母亲”一书地四章。作者以学识渊博和治学严禁闻名。在书中,他对四大文明的描述与我们在学校里学到的并无二致。建议抹杀中国文明成就的人去看看。
• 四大文明古国的说法不是单单就从文明的起源为唯一的依据,只以此为依据不免让人觉得有些弱智,试问世界上有哪个国家能不中断的沿袭自己的文明像中国这么长的时间,参考一下几千年前的中国气候和地形,就能够明白中国的建筑为什么都是木质的了,我承认有很多古老的文明史超过当时的中国的,但现在也都不复存在,这种略等种族只能在历史中轻留一笔,最终还不都被其他文明取代。古埃及人强大,为什么不能延续至今,还有苏米尔人,亚述人,古罗马人,古希腊人。他们不能保住自己的文明延续,亡国灭种,还怎么成文文明古国。


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[楼主]  [13楼]  作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间: 2006/01/17 11:36 

回复:爱坏有没有出手教训本后生的冲动?
你出手我就投降:)


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[楼主]  [14楼]  作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间: 2006/01/17 11:47 

回复:TMD~我爱你
个猪!
现在不是玩深沉的时候
帮小狼学习学习才是关键!

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 [15楼]  作者:种鱼的猫  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:04 

个猪,明摆着的事情还要外国鸟求证!

看来不鄙视你是不行了!

                喵呜~!~



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 [16楼]  作者:不意染风尘  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:07 

怎样是权威?

小欧,新说法总是会有,人们(包括你)只顾惊异,哪里有时间去辩权威与否,你又何必当真。难道不知道网络随意?是人都可以在上面贴东西,假使有人贴一篇明天地球飞出轨道,你难道星夜逃去火星?届时记得要唱:其实我也是逼上火星。咦,旋律熟悉得紧。

不具可信度的事情,看也别看,一副杞狼忧天的形象,呵,越看越似。

不对,你有句话味道奇特,你不拿外国说法当圣旨,怎么还指派我去搜国外网站,并且必须权威?测试国外的矛锋或是盾坚?

 [17楼]  作者:不意染风尘  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:10 

谁鸟?
我就是不幸被你诬做了鸟,也做鱼鹰,吃了你先,看你再怎么喵呜。
 [18楼]  作者:种鱼的猫  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:13 

小狼都遭群殴了,你还在这里鸟来鸟去的~喵呜~!~


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 [19楼]  作者:种鱼的猫  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:21 

欧阳."编号9527的书童"

介是嘛意思?

         喵呜~!~



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[楼主]  [20楼]  作者:欧阳小狼  发表时间: 2006/01/17 12:43 

回复:其实我觉得很悲哀
我特指那些奴才们
你不拿他们主子的话,他们是不会相信的
他们不是说中国是个大无赖吗!
那就看看他们的主子怎么说~

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 [21楼]  作者:爱小坏  发表时间: 2006/01/17 16:05 

回复:那篇文章的论点和论据不搭界,逻辑可笑:)


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